Depression

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Depression

Post by J. S. Saint » Fri Oct 06, 2017 11:18 am

    Depression comes in 3 basic forms; physiological, emotional, and cognitive. "Depression" is the label given to the "urge to give up", to not act even when actions are available. The medical world defines depression as a state wherein a person retreats from "normal activity" for that person (much less definitive). The underlying cause of depression in all cases is the futilization of positive response.

    Oppression often leads to depression whereas suppression offend leads to aggression (opposite of depression). The depressive state neither loves nor hates, but rather stops caring and insists in not caring. Depression is not merely the loss of hope, but the acceptance in the hope of retreating, "shutting down", "giving up". The urge to withdraw completely is what leads to suicidal depression. Suicide is the overt act to withdraw from all life entirely.

    Biochemicals and drugs can help most with physiological depression wherein the body refuses to respond normally under normal stimuli. Exercise, increased bodily fluid flow, and a medically clean environment help most against physiological depression. Proper levels of vitamins and minerals can help if they happen to have become abnormal. This level of depression is classified as "disease" (dis-ease) and is generally caused by invasion of toxins or germs. Physiological depression is almost never caused genetically despite family history. More often the family merely experiences the same invasive affects, often from the same sources (environmental or social).

    Drugs effect emotional depression through a complex reaction process where the feelings and emotors are medically tweaked until they mask the cause of the depression sufficiently to simulate normal behavior (what is assessed as such anyway). A strong change in life situation can greatly effect a depressive state, but the person will seldom choose to pursue such a change. Strong love or hate interests can jar the emotional state into seeing new hope in taking action. But if such changes in life are introduced and do not succeed, they instead further aid the depression. Emotional and cognitive depressions are never caused genetically regardless of family history.

    Biochemicals and drugs have no effect on cognitive depression unless they have positive (or negative) effect on mental functions such as memory, attention, focus, concentration, analytical response, and so on. Nootropics aid in that regard. The cognitively perceived situation of the person is the cause of cognitive depression thus anything that appears to the person to yield hope in the person's situation works against cognitive depression (winning the lottery for example if money is an recognized issue).

    Signs of each type of depression vary from each other. Some people have various degrees of each type. Each type affects each other type, but does not directly determine them. People sufficiently skilled to properly diagnose depression (or just about any psychological ailment) are difficult to find. This is largely due to the attempt to over simplify the mental state and assign labels through symptomology rather than addressing causes.

    Social and economic depression are additional depression types caused by analogous affecters. These are most often brought about (along with personal depressions) as governments change hands or restructure. Futilizing the people's effort to maintain their own safety is a critical part of re-ording a society, thus the people sense and often recognized the hopelessness of their situation. Suicides rise sharply as social demonism is injected so as to make clay by crushing the former statue for sake of the new statue. In the West, the more recent change ("paradigm shift") came about as Christianity was replaced with Judeo-secularism for sake of world governing.

    In all cases, depression is the result of the actions of others and is seldom remedied except by the same.

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    Re: Depression

    Post by Arcturus Descending » Thu Oct 12, 2017 1:55 pm

    James,

    Just this...
    In all cases, depression is the result of the actions of others and is seldom remedied except by the same.
    Are you sure that you want to say *in all cases* here? I do not see it in this way.

    The onset of depression may often be as a result of the actions and behavior of others - cause and effect - but why would you take all responsibility from the depressed person? I think that depression is a very complicated issue and one size never fits all.

    Well, I can readily understand that the depressed person needs understanding and compassion and not to be judged for his/her state of emotions and mind especially in the case of the person where the depression was not brought on by anything that he or she did.

    But, very often those who are depressed are so as a result of actions which they themselves take or fail to take. I realize that it is not such an easy thing to plow through or to try to transcend a depressed state, but waiting around and blaming others for their own state is also not conducive to good or at least better mental health. I'm generally speaking here of the woe-is-me types.

    The way I look at it, robbing a person of his or her autonomy and personal responsibility towards his or her life, is a really good slippery slope which can lead into more depression.
    and is seldom remedied except by the same
    Am I wrong in my interpretation here? What you would appear to be saying, James, is that, for instance, waiting around for the *absent* alcoholic or drug addicted mother or father, et cetera, to get help and reform, would be the ONLY remedy for the depressed son or daughter.


    I cannot agree with this. Don't get me wrong here. It could be helpful if the parent received help and turned his/her life around but the depressed person needs to feel that he/she has some control and autonomy over life. Part of depression I believe comes from feeling helpless and that there is no way out.
    Showering gross sentimentality or any kind of sentimentality on the person does not really help. All it does is allow the person to pity their self which only brings them down and weakens them. Helping the person deal with reality in a constructive supportive way on his/her journey is helpful


    Are we to base our behavior solely on the behavior of others or are we to pilot or at least learn to pilot our own ships albeit with the help and support of others or whatever. Good mental health comes from having a strong sense of response-ability toward ourselves, not simply from blaming others albeit they may be the origin -- and waiting around for them to change.

    Nice talking with you, James. :)
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    Re: Depression

    Post by JSS » Wed Oct 18, 2017 9:46 am

    Arcturus Descending wrote:
    Thu Oct 12, 2017 1:55 pm
    James,

    Just this...
    In all cases, depression is the result of the actions of others and is seldom remedied except by the same.
    Are you sure that you want to say *in all cases* here? I do not see it in this way.
    Honestly I am still trying to figure out why I said that (that was a long time ago for me). :? I suspect that I was thinking in terms of initial birth effects onward, but it still seems too broad of a statement for me to have made. In a civil society, there is no excuse for serious or long term depression simply because there would be far too many opportunities to avoid it. But I'm not certain yet that such is what I was thinking. My first statement is more obviously correct:
    J. S. Saint wrote:
    Fri Oct 06, 2017 11:18 am
    The underlying cause of depression in all cases is the futilization of positive response.
    These days, I would rather say that depression is caused by the perception of no hope, although not necessarily of significant threat.

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